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post Jan 07, 2010, 09:53 PM
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One man's mission to create a living mind inside a machine.

Professor Henry Markram, a doctor-turned-computer engineer, announced that his team would create the world's first artificial conscious and intelligent mind by 2018.

Tens of millions of euros are flooding into his laboratory at the Brain Mind Institute at the Ecole Polytechnique in Lausanne - paymasters include the Swiss government, the EU and private backers, including the computer giant IBM. Artificial minds are, it seems, big business.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/art...l#ixzz0bzAVjfRR
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post Jan 11, 2010, 04:06 PM
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"The idea is that by building a model of a real brain, it might - just might - begin to behave like the real thing."

So how will we know if it's conscious? Ask it? First the Cog project, and then Cyc. Both failed. As long as he can keep the hype alive, we will hear about this, then it will fade away.
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post Jan 11, 2010, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE(Rick @ Jan 11, 2010, 09:06 PM) *

"The idea is that by building a model of a real brain, it might - just might - begin to behave like the real thing."

So how will we know if it's conscious? Ask it? First the Cog project, and then Cyc. Both failed. As long as he can keep the hype alive, we will hear about this, then it will fade away.
So where will the money go? He seems to be able to get plenty. IBM - stupid?
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post Jan 11, 2010, 06:23 PM
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The money will be gone forever. A good time was had by all. IBM lost the PC hardware wars and also the software wars. Remember PS2 and OS2?
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post Jan 11, 2010, 10:40 PM
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.... metaphorically, the internet acts as a living mind inside many machines!
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post Jan 12, 2010, 03:45 PM
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Conscious or unconscious?
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post Jan 12, 2010, 04:24 PM
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that's a good question
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post Jan 12, 2010, 05:10 PM
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The mind of the vending machine in the break room down the hall is unconscious. I am only impressed with conscious minds.
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post Jan 12, 2010, 05:15 PM
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rick you are being narrow minded if you are sincerely comparing the limited capabilities of a vending machine with the immense human like capabilities of the world wide internet!
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post Jan 12, 2010, 08:20 PM
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I thought I was making the point that unconscious minds can come in all sizes, the Coke machine being a very small one. Size of mind and consciousness are probably not related. Worms are probably conscious. The Web is probably not.
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post Jan 12, 2010, 09:31 PM
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yes.... but you also seemed to miss that I was speaking metaphorically.... elucidating the fact that the world wide web is like a collective human mind inside multiple machines that comprise one big world wide machine (another successful project of CERN). Alas, I forgot that you may now be unable to think metaphorically with a mechanically conditioned brain of a past paradigm!
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post Jan 13, 2010, 04:32 PM
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Oh darn.
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post Jan 13, 2010, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(Rick @ Jan 13, 2010, 04:32 PM) *

Oh darn.

haha.... good 1
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post Jan 13, 2010, 09:35 PM
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rick.... if you we're to pick between newton's brain and einstein's brain to imbue a machine with you would pick?
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post Jan 14, 2010, 12:00 PM
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Mine.
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post Jan 14, 2010, 03:17 PM
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.... but that is simply not an option found with the question I proposed to you!!
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post Jan 14, 2010, 06:50 PM
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Hey, come on, think outside the box!

Given the choices, I would do both. The proper question is "which one first?"
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QUOTE(Rick @ Jan 14, 2010, 06:50 PM) *

Hey, come on, think outside the box!


I'll accept your initial comment as your answer.... and I'd possibly even agree with you!

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Given the choices, I would do both. The proper question is "which one first?"

... both is also not an option! Obviously you cannot really have one with out the other.... but if you could only choose one.... that there was only a possibility to activate one human brain inside one machine and that the only two options possible we're the ones named above!
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post Jan 14, 2010, 08:46 PM
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I prefer Einstein. He had a few centuries of thought to build on after Newton.
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post Jan 15, 2010, 06:06 PM
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.... in all honesty and with all things being relative.... I often find myself wondering who IS, or would be, the more genius!

.... so what profession, or professions, would be capable of developing, or creating, a consciously independent machine....

here's one?

mechanical engineers

Mechatronics is an interdisciplinary branch of mechanical engineering, electrical engineering and software engineering that is concerned with integrating electrical and mechanical engineering to create hybrid systems. In this way, machines can be automated through the use of electric motors, servo-mechanisms, and other electrical systems in conjunction with special software. A common example of a mechatronics system is a CD-ROM drive. Mechanical systems open and close the drive, spin the CD and move the laser, while an optical system reads the data on the CD and converts it to bits. Integrated software controls the process and communicates the contents of the CD to the computer.

Robotics is the application of mechatronics to create robots, which are often used in industry to perform tasks that are dangerous, unpleasant, or repetitive. These robots may be of any shape and size, but all are preprogrammed and interact physically with the world. To create a robot, an engineer typically employs kinematics (to determine the robot's range of motion) and mechanics (to determine the stresses within the robot).

Robots are used extensively in industrial engineering. They allow businesses to save money on labor, perform tasks that are either too dangerous or too precise for humans to perform them economically, and to insure better quality. Many companies employ assembly lines of robots, and some factories are so robotized that they can run by themselves. Outside the factory, robots have been employed in bomb disposal, space exploration, and many other fields. Robots are also sold for various residential applications.
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post Jan 15, 2010, 06:34 PM
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Maybe it will turn out to be the biologists who finally discover the secret of intelligence using neurons grown in artificially controlled 3D matrices of carbon fibers.
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QUOTE(Rick @ Jan 15, 2010, 06:34 PM) *

Maybe it will turn out to be the biologists who finally discover the secret of intelligence using neurons grown in artificially controlled 3D matrices of carbon fibers.


.... artificially controlled?
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post Jan 16, 2010, 07:53 PM
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Well, we don't want our artificial minds running amok, do we?
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are robots like us.... as computer programs become smarter they seem to start making the same mistakes as humans. Is that a problem or a key to true artificial intelligence?
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post Jan 31, 2010, 08:14 PM
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Let's hope they will suffer from fewer illusions.
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QUOTE(Rick @ Jan 31, 2010, 08:14 PM) *

Let's hope they will suffer from fewer illusions.

such as?
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post Jan 31, 2010, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE(Rick @ Feb 01, 2010, 01:14 AM) *

Let's hope they will suffer from fewer illusions.
... and delusions ...
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QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Jan 31, 2010, 08:22 PM) *

QUOTE(Rick @ Feb 01, 2010, 01:14 AM) *

Let's hope they will suffer from fewer illusions.
... and delusions ...

such as?
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post Jan 31, 2010, 08:27 PM
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Thinking that they are of supreme importance at the expense of others. Selfishness is the root of all evil.
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post Jan 31, 2010, 08:49 PM
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but.... if they are to become as intelligent as humans, robots need to make the same kinds of mistakes as humans do!
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