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post May 24, 2007, 04:27 PM
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Be careful, Hey Hey, you haven't defined "God."
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post May 24, 2007, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(Rick @ May 24, 2007, 10:27 PM) *
Be careful, Hey Hey, you haven't defined "God."
Hey, don't give it away, you'll take away my room for maneuver! laugh.gif
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post May 24, 2007, 11:11 PM
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How can one revive that is not dead? lol

because revive also means to restore from a depressed, inactive, or unused state.

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I wasn't brainwashed

of course you're not!

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nor have i been under any teaching by someone of a "degree"

disdain for education and intelligence is not uncommon among the brainwashed. Do you feel threatened by educated people?

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what i believe is what I have proven to be true myself...not because some man in a suit and tie told me so...

I would hope you wouldn't blindly accept what men in suits and ties tell you, or any dogma for that matter. Unfortunately for you, indoctrination into the foolishness of religion often starts at a young age, before your mental capacities develop sufficiently to realize that the wool is being pulled over your eyes.

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just stating my believe just like everyone else on the site... mine just so happens to be contrary to everyone else's smile.gif

there's nothing uncommon about your bumpkinish beliefs, and no doubt you feel at home among the bible thumpers and others who delight in ignorance. I doubt you'll find any sympathizers here, though there are posts in this forum that you would be wise to reflect on.
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post May 24, 2007, 11:44 PM
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lucid, you should take up psychotherapy or apply as a replacement for Hal! That was the best response I've seen in ages. By the way, are bumpkins still extant?
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post May 24, 2007, 11:52 PM
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Thanks Hey Hey, but who's Hal? From Space Odyssey?

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By the way, are bumpkins still extant?


the Bible Belt states are filled with them. The last best hope for Reason in the US is on the east and west coasts.
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post May 25, 2007, 12:27 AM
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... who's Hal? From Space Odyssey?
Maybe, or Halcion, or Halcyon. It's up to you ...
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post May 25, 2007, 12:19 PM
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disdain for education and intelligence is not uncommon among the brainwashed. Do you feel threatened by educated people?

No, actually I don't. I am going to school this fall myself... and I know several people that are very well educated. smile.gif.... it just doesn't take someone with a degree to know what I know.
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I would hope you wouldn't blindly accept what men in suits and ties tell you, or any dogma for that matter. Unfortunately for you, indoctrination into the foolishness of religion often starts at a young age, before your mental capacities develop sufficiently to realize that the wool is being pulled over your eyes.

i was brought up with a belief in God...but in my early teen age years my life went downhill and my family life screwed up and I denied God and His existence. When I started searching..i looked into many different religions..and started searching out the truth for myself. I got in the Bible and God showed me Himself...showed me what was right.. so no.. whether I was taught at a young age or not is irrelevent... because my dad turned me away from God...
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there's nothing uncommon about your bumpkinish beliefs, and no doubt you feel at home among the bible thumpers and others who delight in ignorance. I doubt you'll find any sympathizers here, though there are posts in this forum that you would be wise to reflect on

of course i would feel at home with people that agree with me smile.gif makes me comfortable...and i love talking about my God with those who have the same belief lol happy.gif... and no.. i am not here for sympathy trust me... and i have been on the other side and seen things from a different view smile.gif...i believe what i believe..there is nothing you can do or say that will change that....
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post May 25, 2007, 12:23 PM
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i believe what i believe..there is nothing you can do or say that will change that


Thank you Jellybean. I think that sums things up nicely.
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post May 25, 2007, 12:28 PM
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i believe what i believe..there is nothing you can do or say that will change that....


reminds me of GW Bush
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post May 25, 2007, 02:25 PM
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In spite of her confidence otherwise, I think she can change. It is in the nature of the young to change. Every day's experience changes one a little bit. Let's hope it's for the better.

Letting people live their lives as they see fit so long as they don't harm others is better than passing busy-body laws to hamstring the affairs of others. For example, laws against same sex marriage and using contraceptives.

Voting for candidates who promote peace is better than voting for jingoistic Republicans because the religious right tells you to.

And so on.
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post May 25, 2007, 02:31 PM
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Yes, that's true Rick. But what a pity that youngsters can waste so much time on such trivia when there are so many important things to be done.
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post May 25, 2007, 02:33 PM
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By the way, do I need to look out some hat recipes yet?
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post May 25, 2007, 02:34 PM
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That's exactly my point in my running argument with Lindsay. Religion is basically a time waster when it's not directly harmful.
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post May 25, 2007, 05:39 PM
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Religion is basically a time waster when it's not directly harmful.


So, are you saying... religion is only useful when it is directly harmful?
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post May 27, 2007, 03:03 AM
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QUOTE(Jellybean2 @ May 25, 2007, 02:39 PM) *

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Religion is basically a time waster when it's not directly harmful.


So, are you saying... religion is only useful when it is directly harmful?


Youre going to have to listen/read a bit closer if you wish to follow whats said hear JB.

I am curious, have you finished school yet?
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post May 29, 2007, 03:45 PM
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QUOTE(Jellybean2 @ May 25, 2007, 03:39 PM) *

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So, are you saying... religion is only useful when it is directly harmful?

I am saying that religion is always harmful to the extent it is taken seriously. If one views it as a cultural artifact suitable for study, then it is more like studying literature, and interesting in that way.

Imagine a psychologist who studies gambling addiction. He may find gambling both interesting and harmful at the same time. Just think of all those Las Vegas shrines that wouldn't have been built without gambling!

I recently visited St. Stephen's Cathedral in Vienna. Beautiful! But I couldn't help wondering if all those hundreds of years of effort in building it had been spent developing science...
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post May 29, 2007, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE(Culture @ May 27, 2007, 04:03 AM) *

QUOTE(Jellybean2 @ May 25, 2007, 02:39 PM) *

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Religion is basically a time waster when it's not directly harmful.


So, are you saying... religion is only useful when it is directly harmful?


Youre going to have to listen/read a bit closer if you wish to follow whats said hear JB.

I am curious, have you finished school yet?

i graduated H.S. two years ago...and I am going back to school this fall.
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post May 29, 2007, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(Rick @ May 29, 2007, 04:45 PM) *

QUOTE(Jellybean2 @ May 25, 2007, 03:39 PM) *

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Religion is basically a time waster when it's not directly harmful.


So, are you saying... religion is only useful when it is directly harmful?

I am saying that religion is always harmful to the extent it is taken seriously. If one views it as a cultural artifact suitable for study, then it is more like studying literature, and interesting in that way.

Imagine a psychologist who studies gambling addiction. He may find gambling both interesting and harmful at the same time. Just think of all those Las Vegas shrines that wouldn't have been built without gambling!

like the muslim radicals...and when Queen Mary I killed hundreds of Protestants for the cause of restoring the Catholic church... and The Salem Witch Trials? I understand where you are coming from now.
Although I take my beliefs seriously, doesn't mean i am out to kill those who do not agree...that is just not my way... it is all a matter of perspective and mind set on the religious belief isn't it? two people can view the same thing in two different lights.... it is a matter of interpretation. Right?
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post May 29, 2007, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE(Jellybean2 @ May 29, 2007, 01:53 PM) *
... two people can view the same thing in two different lights.... it is a matter of interpretation. Right?

Every person has a unique view. That's a given. It's how we resolve our differences that counts.
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post May 29, 2007, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE(Rick @ May 29, 2007, 07:54 PM) *

QUOTE(Jellybean2 @ May 29, 2007, 01:53 PM) *
... two people can view the same thing in two different lights.... it is a matter of interpretation. Right?

Every person has a unique view. That's a given. It's how we resolve our differences that counts.

true.. take a stand...but no need in killing someone over it.. that is where free will and freedom of choice comes in on their part.
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post May 30, 2007, 12:10 AM
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Jelly, cast off your crutches and show us you can walk on your own two feet!
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post May 30, 2007, 07:23 AM
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Jelly, cast off your crutches and show us you can walk on your own two feet!

lol i think this is the second time you have told me that... smile.gif
it isn't going to work...because I see no crutches...only stepping stones to make me a better person happy.gif
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post Oct 28, 2007, 08:55 AM
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I remember back when I used to be a follower of God. I was raised in a Christian family (the "do as I say not as I do" kind) so I followed the Christian ideals for quite some time.

However, it all changed when I found out about Nietzsche. (Gradually, of course, but even now I can distinctly remember how my religious zeal eroded overtime).

The main idea I took out of his work, is that it doesn't matter whether God exists or not. In fact, even if God exists exactly as Christians described him then it's only more of a reason to actually follow Nietzsche's philosophy.

The thing about the Ubermensch is that you're supposed to rely on yourself, not on some mystic deity to fix your problems and make you happy. If we were "made into his image" then why should we sheepishly wait until the afterlife to be granted permanent happiness in heaven, when we can create heaven right here and now on our own?

Because if God is a "father" like the Christians say, then as any parent he would only be happy to see us think for ourselves instead of running to him every time we get a finger cut.

Besides, what would your parents think if you were 40 years old, had a wife and 3 children and still relied on them as your only source of income?

So that's how my trail of thought went that day, when I took off my cross and told God that, yes, I never doubted that you exist, but I'll rather think for myself from now on.

One day I want to meet him in person and say "Hey, this is my sketch for Humanity. What do you think about this part here...?"
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post Oct 28, 2007, 01:28 PM
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Hudzon, if more Christians thought like that, the world would be a much better place. Maybe instead of slipping bibles into hotel rooms, someone should start slipping "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" (Kaufmann's translation) instead, or start evangelical Nietzsche churches across the globe. I think part of the reservation of many Christians towards Nietzsche is that he explicitly places himself diametrically opposite to Jesus, and this in itself will act as a turnoff to Christians. However, I think Nietzsche's thoughts will resonate will almost anyone, so that any person who takes the time to read and understand his work will come away grateful and a better person for it.


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post Oct 28, 2007, 01:43 PM
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Hey.. thats a pretty good idea! Give them a taste of their own medicine.
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post Dec 06, 2007, 12:23 AM
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hahah the jellybean is hilarious. its ok darlin, you'll evolve
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QUOTE(Hey Hey @ May 24, 2007, 01:05 PM) *

Prove to me that god exists and I'll eat my hat. wacko.gif
HH, does existence exists? How would one go about proving that it does?
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post Dec 07, 2007, 11:45 PM
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I think therefore I am. Now thinking does not necessarily prove that YOU exist, but it proves that something exists. Perception implies that something is perceived and thus exists.
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post Dec 07, 2007, 11:49 PM
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Sounds good to me, Flex.
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