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maximus242
post Feb 05, 2008, 06:18 AM
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These are just amazing videos by Penn and Teller, I highly recommend you watch them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUnDxiec414

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5N3VAByrwE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWmxWIIY5S4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa7abCEQI_E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SXci-XkMn4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g02Tmrty6E

Here is them debunking creationism, this one really brings to light the true meaning of ignorance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR-SSAUeD7M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngEJUN8PogM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avaGb0ZdOk4
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post Feb 05, 2008, 07:43 AM
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Excellent, I love Penn and Teller. I'll give these a watch as soon as I can.
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post Feb 05, 2008, 01:53 PM
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Sorry to tell you religion still exists in spite of P&T, and will for some time to come.
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post Feb 06, 2008, 09:03 AM
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Yes, and Jesus was also Arabic despite western images of him, but whats that got to do with a good watch of someone using their brains to discount all the religious BS?
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post Feb 06, 2008, 01:50 PM
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It has to do with what is behind the stories that fanatics of either extreme can't seem to grasp.
Religion begins with the questions that arise within the human psyche of who we are and how we are.
There will always be those who believe their answer is the right answer while they try to tear apart the other to become righteous.
Great intelligence doesn't separate, it unites.

Religious environments or those created and supported by beliefs have always had their great minds of opposition and support. They are alike in that they take certain stories that they believe define the Universe to stake their claim.

Arguments only prove that people have the ability to speak their own minds, and with the changing information it shows us how little we know and how easily we grasp onto bits of information and make them eternally factual.
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post Feb 06, 2008, 09:12 PM
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I believe in the root beliefs behind eligions. Just not the frozen beliefs of 1000year old peoples. Time to watch this I reckon. Comments to follow.
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post Feb 06, 2008, 10:19 PM
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Beliefs are rarely frozen. They change and evolve often with the idea that they remain the same.
The history of the Catholic church would give evidence to the way they have changed their position on many things.
What doesn't seem to change is the resistance to ideas that create conflict of personal interest and the attacks that are made from the illusions of conflicting personal points of view.

Few really try to understand where another is coming from before making any assumptions and then attacking.

As I said Great minds find Unity in all things that are relative. Everything began somewhere and as such are connected in more ways than are realized.

Often something takes place and the event is passed on by word of mouth and by the time it gets past 100 people it doesn't resemble the original event. This in itself does not mean the even didn't happen.

What it does often reveal is how little we pay attention to reality.
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post Feb 07, 2008, 01:16 AM
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So then, if the bible is the word of God and if God is all knowing, then why does the bible change?

Do you take religion in a literal sense or in a philosophical sense using some beliefs derived from the bible but not all?
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So then, if the bible is the word of God and if God is all knowing, then why does the bible change?

If the Bible is the word of God....What is the word and what is a constant?
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Do you take religion in a literal sense or in a philosophical sense using some beliefs derived from the bible but not all?

I would look beyond the definition, to the value of religion and why it has any relative value to me.

When I search out the history of the Bible and its roots in Eastern Philosophy I find that what is behind it has a solid foundation in experience. The True teachings that liberate humans from fear and illusion are what the Bible is about. What the bible refers to is the Teachings of Jesus the Christ, Christ being an expanded state of consciousness.
Jesus being a man lived by example a greater potential than dogmatic principal or any belief in illusions created by the any majority, expounded his own experience which others tried to fathom from their own level of understanding.

What You Tube has shown is certain truths which when embellished are used to create a system of belief and what Jesus taught was not a belief but the underlying nature of all things which when interpreted through filters of judgment and fear create belief and dogma.
It is a fact that what the Bible is, is a collection of stories grouped together according to the understandings of majority at the time of its creation. It is also realistic to imagine and postulate that the stories that are in the bible and those that aren't, could lead to events that inspired them to be written and shared with the world.
Aramaic and Hebrew translated into Greek then German then English, have also contributed to molding the essence of what Jesus taught into a form that is acceptable to popular belief and constructs of the current mindset or conscious understanding.
There just aint nothin like hearing it from the source, and if that isn't possible often it takes some honest interest and energy in research and cross referencing to separate the wheat from the chaff. Not very many actually do that, but are more interested in defending their personal beliefs and sabotaging those that don't support their beliefs.
Then again there are alot of cows that simply follow the herd.

What is in the bible was meant to inspire one to find the truth behind the words that Jesus spoke.
He spoke of the reality of his relationship with God and the availability of God to everyone who would seek for themselves when they are ready to look beyond the herd mentality and the suffering created in separation and judgment of humanity in its choices and beliefs.

Suffering is healed from the inside out, rather than by manipulating the outside while maintaining the illusions that create suffering in changing beliefs.
Those that push the Bible as being verbatim "the word of God" as they understand it, are trying to heal the world or to unite it under common belief rather than to find what is common to all beliefs and experiences created through freedom of choice and interpretation; basically because it would be devastating to the ego to accept the idea that one could have misinterpreted the meaning of life, and to live from false ideas about reality.
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